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www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com/podcast Season 14 Episode 9 Allen Saunders was an American writer and cartoonist who once said “Life is what happens to us while we are making other plans”. It was later popularised by John Lennon in his song, Beautiful Boy. Saunders first said this in 1957 and I guess how I see this is that many of us still spend time planning ahead, creating goals and objectives, trying to weed out uncertainty, only for that uncertainty to keep coming back, those unexpected things to happen which can derail our plans – either for better or for worse. If I think of a few things that have really changed my life (outside of my kids), they came about by chance, I couldn’t have predicted them or planned for them. They just happened. Like when I first discovered punk rock – when I was 11 or 12, my mum and dad’s neighbour, with no real prompting, handed me a compilation with Judy Is A Punk on it and that was it – the Ramones changed my life….and not always for the good my dad would have said Or how my parents starting to get ill a few years ago was a completely unexpected catalyst for me to get back into playing the cello. Never thought it would happen. Serendipity, synchronicity, karma, energy…. how these things work together to open our mind to new things, to new ways of doing things, to new people, new ideas, really interests me, and only makes me firmer in the belief that our mindset is the most important asset we have for grasping these encounters and shaping who we are. So, with their excellent second album as Venamoris imminent – it’s called To Cross or To Burn - I was thrilled to welcome Paula and Dave Lombardo and they very kindly indulged me in my incoherent ramblings. This is a really beautiful chat about their own tales of taking chances, the unexpected, self-belief, instinct, and their life journeys both individually and together. I Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ’s and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives. - brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™ - swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

Season 14 Episode 8 www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com Whilst conducting my meticulous research for Gail….I was taken back to 1980 - my year of transition that was painful, perplexing, exciting, scary – a tussle between my heavily Top of The Pops Top 40 oriented collection, my classical cello playing and a new, emerging, Through The Looking Glass world of punk, post-punk and hardcore. Not easy bedfellows for 12 year old me, I can tell you. One of the songs in that struggle was Xanadu by Olivia Newton-John and Electric Light Orchestra. I think that the new punk crowd that I was gravitating towards would have sent me much further than Coventry had they known that this record was in my collection, such were the no cross-genre rules. So what does this rather tedious story have with today’s episode? Well, it’s as tenuous as you’ll have come to expect. After growing up adoring her music, Gail holds the accolade of and standing on stage with Olivia Newton-John and a huge orchestra playing Xanadu in front of thousands of genuine fans. This connection, however tenuous, feels in some way serendipitous, and actually rather glorious in a way that only music can be. This is just one part of an incredible, pioneering – and I don’t use that word loosely - life journey that’s led to three solo albums and a whole raft of collaborations with people like Lenny Kravitz, Gwen Stefani, Tears For Fears, Gang of Four, Boy George, The The and, of course…. David Bowie. Gail Ann Dorsey - a wonderful songwriter, composer, bass player with a voice to die for and wonderful human. I Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ’s and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives. - brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™ - swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

Season 14 Episode 7 www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com Before I started this podcast, I was kinda rudderless. Didn’t know what I was doing with my life. When this idea came up, the feeling was “Who will want to listen to me talking about mindset, about my worldview, blah blah blah”… I was dragged into doing it…my self-confidence and self-belief were pretty low. I’ve talked to amazing artists, many of whom, with incredible bravery, bare the inner sanctuary of their own mind through their music and, in particular, their lyrics. So, here we are: 4 years into this podcast and I’ve learnt so much about myself. it’s been incredibly cathartic for me to have these conversations, not least it’s helped me face my fears and it’s forced me to face myself. There are still those moments when the self-belief looks at me and goes “Really?’. I think that the world is incredibly complex, uncertain and volatile. Definitive answers are so much harder to come by, reality is challenged, answers to big questions cannot be condensed into one sentence soundbites, which is what our feudal tech overlords demand from us. I know that there may never be answers to some questions, where things are out of my control, where I need to challenge an outdated definition of perfection, yet accepting this in how I live my life can be challenging, especially as I get older and I become more risk averse in some aspects of my life, yet paradoxically willing to take more risk in other aspects. As I write this, Sophie Jamieson is about to release her second and utterly beautiful album called I STILL WANT TO SHARE, which, to me, captures this complexity and uncertainty of our world and pitches it against our innate human needs for simplicity and certainty. Our chat here about her album and her life raises some fascinating observations. @sophiejamiesonmusic I Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ’s and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives. - brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™ - swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

Season 14 Episode 6 www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com Over the last few years, I’ve been heavily influenced by some of the work that my partner has been doing around decolonisation, particularly in the field of yoga. It’s led me to think about how this applies to music and my own relationship to music. I’ve realised that my own classical cello training from way back when, the exams I did, the framework that I was expected to adhere to, were a western, colonised version of what the instrument represents. Whilst it gave me a lot of technical abilities that have stayed with me through years of inactivity with the instrument, the restrictions of this approach has actually followed me through life and it has had some detrimental effects and I noticed this when I picked it up again a few years ago. I’m still thinking within the confines of that framework. But, when I first heard the music of cellists like Abel Selaocoe and the music of Tashi Dorji, I heard an unrestricted redefinition of their instruments and what their music can represent and a mind that’s free from so much of the colonised, capitalistic world. It felt like their stream of consciousness was washing over me. They have been inspirational for me to try harder to overcome the obstacles that I have with reconnecting with the cello and make it into an instrument that works for me, not for the establishment. https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com I Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ’s and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives. - brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™ - swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

Season 14 Episode 5 www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com When I got into thinking how mindset and, in particular, how an experimental mindset was fundamental to navigating a complex and volatile world, I was intrigued with the way scientists approached their work – for example, not being tied to goals, or pre-determined outcomes and analysing the data from their experiments – and how this could be the blueprint for our own life journey – living your life as a series of experiments, using the findings from these experiments or experiences to take to the next experience. This then led me to thinking that musicians have long lived with that uncertainty and volatility that many more people with hitherto linear lives are now facing, so I should explore the role that all the characteristics of an experimental mindset has played in their lives. And here we are with this podcast! Ok, so what’s the link to Simonne Jones? Well, she is a musician, producer, composer, scientific researcher, humanitarian, visual artist, multi-instrumentalist, public speaker, and since 2021, a Sneaker Pimp (I wish I’d been a Ramone but, hey, wrong time, wrong place and all that. I’m not bitter). To me, this is a fascinating, multi-hyphenate, polymathic approach to living life, one very much in keeping with the multi-stage, multi-experience lives that we are now seeing much more of, effectively usurping the traditional three stage lives of education, work, retirement. It was a privilege to listen to Simonne's amazing journey and fascinating take on the world through the lens of all her experiences and attributes. https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com I Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ’s and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives. - brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™ - swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

Season 14 Episode 4 www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com I’m always trying to work out why certain artists hit me as soon as I hear them. There are some that are a mystery as to why the fuck I like them. Like, why am I still in love with Anastasia’s Welcome To My Truth after all these years? But I can tell you what I love about N8NOFACE's @N8NOFACEmusic – it’s primal, raw, subversive, underground, heavy, manic, chaotic, stuttering, exciting, surprising, and propelled massively by so many influences and musical styles that you could easily spend a day amusing yourself reading all these descriptions of his music like synth punk, techno punk, punk-hop, cyber chiptune punk, rave punk, fucking psychosomatic firestarter punk, I dunno. I made up a lot of those. Maybe being so clear about what it is that I adore about his music will help me understand why adore it. I mean, I have a few ideas…. His LP, L’s Up, is 20 minutes and 10 tracks worth of all of the above and more. I think it’s his best yet of what is an enormous output, particularly over the last 7 years or so. NOTE: Since we recorded this episode, he has released Crime Partner….and boy, is that another scintillating piece of work, again showing another departure from previous sounds His story, to me, is one of never giving up, of the power of just putting your stuff out there, no matter how long it takes you to do it, of just giving it a go and keeping on fucking trying to find your niche, find your tribe of people who love what you do. Doesn’t take a genius to work out that Nate is one of those artists that just hit me and I’m really excited to try to understand what’s made him the person he is and how he navigates through the world. I Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ’s and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives. - brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™ - swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste